Posted by Monaco
Fri Jan 18, 2013 5:08 pm
This is a “vintage” question.
If you study those Bradshaw racks from the pre midi era you see almost always 2 identical mono digital delays, that have no or little storage capability, mostly Yamaha or Lexicon 42s.
How were they really used? I can imagine they were always used together to create a “studio sound” before there were better stereo units. But could also have been solo/rhythm or long/short?
Then appeared the SPX90, T.C. and other stereo multis, but those 2 delays still remained in the racks…
Anyone here who was around back then building/programming – Brian Swerdfeger?
Posted by RACKSYSTEMS
Fri Jan 18, 2013 5:51 pm
They were used for stereo delays. So one left and one right. Generally set with 2 different delay times like 250 ms and 500ms or 300ms and 600ms. This will create a ping pong style stereo delay. This is still the best way to do this kind of thing nothing sounds like it.
Posted by dirtycooter
Sun Jan 20, 2013 6:16 pm
What I gather though is that with equal time offsets like doubling the 2nd time is that as the repeats take place the first one is hard panned then the second repeat is hitting together and instead of hitting oppsite panned its more centered in its panning. So it would be more say L,C, L, C instead of L, R, L, R… like a true ping pong
I did find that reversing the phase of the second longer time really widens it out spatially-3D actually
Mon Feb 11, 2013 10:24 pm
I got around to repatch my delays because I was curious about your comment. Yes, reversing one of the delays makes a difference with keeping the delay times: both in phase sounds fatter whereas out of phase creates more “transparency”.
However I always found myself not simply doubling the time so that there is an slightly uneven pattern of delays that decays with the same loudness on both sides – full stereo image. Once you find a nice time and balance you just leave it there and can play spacious washes or big solos – no presets – no midi, still endless possibilities. Cool.
And thanks to Dave Friedman for sharing.
Tue Feb 12, 2013 12:20 am
I would agree that nothing quite sounds like using 2 great mono delays this way, and I’ve been partial to it for some time now.
+1 with the above, I also like to play with the delay time, mix and feedback of the 2 units so that you create some nice stereo space the sound lives in. If the unit has nice modulation capabilities it worths experimenting with different settings on the 2 units too..
Tue Feb 12, 2013 2:10 pm
(…) It’s not a ping pong, technically, as that would be a delay you can only hear on one channel per time.
Anyway, you got the idea of what you can get out of it.
Also…another really nice BIG sound is to use the same delay time on both units and slightly offset one of 10/15 ms….then mess with phases if you want. You’ll get a huge sound!
And what about setting both on short dly, like 10/15 ms and having only one SLOW modulating -/+ 4 ms vs the fixed one (from 11 to 19 ms vs. a steady 15)? Listen thru headphones!